Treating Seborrheic Dermatitis with Raw Honey

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Hi Mathieu,

Sorry for the delay in response. Yeah, I guess if it didn’t help right away it might not be the right thing for your skin. For me it was the opposite (worked really well at first, but was less effective over time).

Hard to say which treatment would be the best. I’ve been using mine for about a year now and it’s been working all this time (I’ve stopped glutamine supplementation after about 6 months, but recently decided to take it every couple days just in case:D). There are other readers who have reported good results as well, with one reader only using the l-glutamine. Joakims nystatin treatment has been confirmed by readers as well. One reader even combined the restoraderm moistrizer with the nystatin and that seems to work for him (here is his update).

Yeah, the thyroid stuff is likely playing a role here. I’ve seen lot’s of people report their seborrheic dermatitis issues started after hormonal changes (child birth, puberty, etc.).

Hope you find something that works for you and let me know if you have any updates.

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Hi Rfael,

Personally it worked right away. Other’s have reported not seeing any results as well. Perhaps it just does not work for some people not sure. Honestly, I don’t think it will start working all the sudden. I think if it works, it works and if it doesn’t, it doesn’t. Let me know if the results change thought. Would be interesting.

As for the cream and jojoba oil, I’ve found that oily substances always make things worse in the end. The seem to moistruize the area nicely and high the flakes, but they seem to contribute to spreading the seborrheic dermatitis.

Yeah, that white stuff seems to be the bacteria and dead skin. Not 100% sure what it really is thought. But, that seems to be the consensus. The less of that you have the better the condition is.

I’ve become a little weary for people who claim to know everything about seborrheic dermatitis. I’ve studied the condition for a really long time. Reading both medical papers, forums and everything I can find. To be honest it seems that there is not a single clear explanation of why some people have seborrheic dermatitis, while others don’t. Additionally for treatments, what works for one person might make things worse for another.

MCT oil is basically coconut oil, but with only certain fatty acids presents. You can now find it in many stores, but it is sometimes not label as MCT oil. It’s just basically the liquid version of coconut oil. Here is an article which explains things further.

As for sweating. I found that the amount of salt I consume closely correlates with the amount of sweat I produce. The more salty my sweat the more it would actually seemed to have helped my seborrheic dermatitis. See if you notice this same effect. As I found a way to control my seborrhiec dermatitis, I haven’t had any issues with sweat.

As for the dermatologist. I’ve had both good experience and bad. However, I went to as many of them as possible. This way I got many different opinions and suggestions. The person that actually suggesteded the restoraderm products I’m using was a random Peditrician that saw my face and told me she had the same thing before (met her by accident, while taking my little brother in for an appointment).

Hopefully my response or this website helps. Look forward to hearing any updates from you. If you like, sign up for an account and hop into the community for the discussion. You can ask some of the others on their opinion as well. Here is the sign up page.

Take care Rfael and best of luck.

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I think I’ll go for l-glutamine treatment but i have to consult this with my first contact doctor because first thing I take in the morning, 30 minutes before eating anything is medication for my thyroid and I’ll have to take it for another six months to make sure my hypothyroidism have gone away, I’ll make new blood tests in 3 days and then I’ll ask him about glutamine.
I googled it and few offers for bodybuilder’s appeared, should I get one of these or in tabs from a drug store?

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oh and I’ve considered nystatin but I think I will stick to natural things to beat this SD out of me :stuck_out_tongue:

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Hi Mathieu,

Wrote a huge reply, but it got deleted when I switched chrome tabs by accident.

Yeah, it would be interesting to hear what your doctor says in regards to the l-glutamine supplementation.

Body builders use this stuff to heal soar muscles. So you can usually find it quite easy in most nutritional supplement stores. The one I purchased was from Amazon USA and made by Jarrows. After going through quite a bit of supplements based on online suggestions I’ve found Jarrows stuff to be quite good, so this is why I bought this one. There are other options here in Canada, but this one was the best value.

From what I read, l-glutamine is made by fermentation of beets. So it seemed quite natural.

If your deciding between pure powder and l-gluteamine pills, I would definitely go with the pure form as it doesn’t/shouldn’t contain any fillers. Let me know which one you end up getting.

Hope that helps and look forward to any updates.

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Hi,I signed up to keep up better.
Well things have changed not sure if for worse or better its to soon to know.

AHH I shaved my eyebrows to treat them better,I just pass my exams in uni so my plan its just go out for a heavy work out in the morning or noon wearin sun glasses of course while my eyebrows grow back stronger then soend time meditadin or some shit in my house chilling playing videogame but relaxing not payin attention to it.
I bought a sulfure anti acne soap,I wanted a zinc 2% sopa bar but there is no stock here.
My rutine now is,one hour before washing my face showerin I rub castor oil in my eyebrows,like 15 min rubbin then I wait 1n half hour to wash the oil off and rubb the soap gently on my eyebrows and T zone,then apply a moisturizing lotion and go to sleep.As I have no eyebrows now its a lot easier,and hair do not come off because you dont force the hair as much.
We l see how this works.

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Hey Rafael,

That sounds like quite a bold move. How has the shaved eyebrows been playing out now that it’s been almost a week?
Honestly I can’t imagine going through with that, as it’s quite intense. However, I’ve read that back in the 50’s they would shave peoples heads to try and get rid of seborrheic dermatitis. The end results were mixed though.

I’ve read about and seen the sulfur bars as well. Came really close to buying a bunch. However, things improved and I lost interest.
Additionally, at the time I wanted to get away from that approach. They seem to work in the same method as dandruff shampoo, basically destroying all the organisms on the top layer of the skin and peeling it away. This can help control things, but I’ve found that long term the results are hard to maintain.
Please share your results though, it would be interesting to hear your experience.

What has held you back from trying the approach that worked for me?

All the best. And sorry for the delay in response, it’s been a long week.

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Well,things are not going as I expected but it is what it is,I may have to wait one more week to even go out to public places specially if there are ppl that know me because I used to have very thick dark eyebrows and seein me with very few hair may be a shock.
It a lot less stressing trating the eyebrow zone without seein lots of hair pulled out with no effort,now at least I tret the zone without stress.

At least,I now know for sure that seb derm is the cause for my eyebrow thining,for the hair on the head it may be both male patern baldness and sed derm.
Its weird some hairs are very srtong in zones with seb derm while other grow thin and slow as fuck.I already have like 30 thick grown dark hair in the eyebwros but next to that hair there is one growing very slow and thin,very werid.
I used to pluck my eyebrows in one zone close to the unibrow,I plucked them a lot like for 2 years yet the hair will still come out as thick,it imposible that in one year of hairs fallin out with no effort meain not as agrassive as plucking the folicle has died,so now I know I will get my eyebrows back once I treat the seb derm.

Man I dont know what treatmen folow no more,I wash my T zone one a day before showering with the anti acne sulfur soap bar then aplly very little moisturizing cream.
For the head,I use a shampoo for greasy hair 5 days and 2 day I use one with ketoconazol 2%,the thin is every time I use the keto shampoo the scalp get very greasy,way faster than with the other,and the flakin and sebum has increased a lot losin a lot of hair also in the zone aroung my temples I reomve pretty pig patche of sebum,that exactly also where I lose more hair.
FUUUCKK I dont really know what to do this shit is atackin the mosts aesthetic patrs of my body,it has really hit me man.
Well,Im gonna do what you said somewhere,list a few treatments and try them one by one and stop searchin on the internet.
Im now doing this
Before sleep I wash eyebrow zone with anti acne soap,the rinse it off on the shower.
on the shower I shampoo my scalp with said shampoos tryng to dont let it touch my face,all of this with almost cold water then out the shower pat zone with paper till dry also some hair dryr on cool air to dry it a lil more then aply the mosturzing cream on face and eyebrows go to sleep.
I woke up,eat well,less gluten as posible no sugar etc.
I mosturze one more time at noon or after doing exercise or sweating I pat dry zones with paper then aplly the mosturzing cream.Do you think I should wash my face two times a day with the soap?for the hair I dont know Im thinkin of tryng apple vinegar.
What would you recomend me?
Well that was a long post,then again thanks for responding that alone is helpfull.

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Hi Rafael,

Sorry for the delay in response. Had a fever and was jammed with work at the same time.

Have you ever considered or have gone to get full bloodwork done? Perhaps you may be deficient in some specific vitamins or minerals. Even when my SD took over my eyebrows or my scalp I never experience the amount of hairloss your describe. However, everyone is different.

Honestly, I would highly suggest the treatment approach I took. It seems a good proportion of other reads have had really good results with it as well. What has kept you away from it?

Check the comments section for feedback from people. Also this post has a huge comments section going as well.

Yeah and crazy long post. Seems like your way over thinking it. Sometimes less is more.

All the best and hope that helps.

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Thanks for taking your time agian,sorry gain for that long post but as my english is not that good its hard to me to resume all.This time is shorter but it might caught your interest as well.

Well Im about to try something new.
Its called “biodecodificacion milecular” in english molecular biodecodification.searh Dr hammer if I translated it wrong.
It about how all diseases start by stress or generational stress and traumes aka “cancer genes,alzeimer genes,eczmea genes” etc.

So I went to a seminary about this,it really opened my mind,its true and has it logic,why in university they teach you how to cure or what is a disease but never say how this disease appeared??why animals have less diseases than humans??why the disease goes for some tome and then come back?all this was answered by person giving the seminary.
The mind its what create this generational diseases,it make no sense that your life its a rulete to get cancer or lots of others,so this treatment works going back to your greatgrands,grandparents and parents to decode the conflicts of your mind.

I really convince myself about how my seb derm is going to go,its been like more than week that I dont think about it,went out with my eyebrows fucked up and red,etc…but it actualy got worse lol still,tho I didnt got my family tree decoded neither my mind so wll se next thursday about.the sesions are quiet expensive but many people say its the best,in one two or three sesions you are free of the disease.I also went to monk monastery that treat with energy and was told I have lots of stress inside and generationl and they gave me some herbs to take baths and drink.

sorry if a took your time with my long ass posts lol.
we keep in touch man,thanks alot for answering
Still belive Im going to succeed,

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Hi Rfael,

Quite a large comment for sure. :slight_smile:
Intersting to hear about your current approach. It sounds intersting, but I honestly think it might be too complicated to work well. Atleast this is my belief.

Simple is key to having something work long term.

Additionally, it’s hard to trust people who have never experience SD for themselves. It’s easy for a person to at a seminar to have convicing claims, but it’s often difficult for them to back these up with facts. So be careful friend. This is an area which is often full of surprises.

In a way I do agree that it is related to your ancestry. However, the human genome is quite complex. So really pin-pointing a simple thing such a stress is quite hard.

I believe ancestry plays a role in how are bodies are built. Going against our ancestry can cause stress for our bodies. For example if your ancestors ate mostly fruit, vegetables, grains, and other grown produce I believe your body will have issues eating mainly meat.

Currently working on a comprehensive post that looks at all the current research in the area of internal issues and SD. Too much studies look at the topical aspects, without trying to figure out why it’s really happening.

You will succeed! Just keep at it.
I’m guessing you still have not tried the Restoraderm?

All the best.

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Hi,

Really well-written article! I just wanted to say how different my experience has been with using coconut oil, having done the whole honey/coconut oil routine for about 2.5 years now.

Maybe it’s different for everyone, but in my case using both honey and coconut oil as part of the treatment was extremely effective and any flare-ups I’ve had have usually lasted no more than a few days. I recently had a pretty bad one that was more stubborn than usual, and having been re-reading all this stuff I came across your page and decided to try not using the coconut oil for a while. It seemed to make it worse than ever - as bad as it had been at its peak before I’d discovered any effective way of managing it. A whole week of being redder and more uncomfortable than it had been in years.

I had some big social events coming up and was pretty worried. I went back to the original treatment with the coconut oil and the results were almost instantaneous, it had mostly gone in 2/3 days and hasn’t really been back since. When I was using just honey, my skin felt exposed and painful after washing the honey off. The coconut oil seemed to soothe and calm down the seb derm.

Scientifically I’m completely ignorant about any of the potential reasoning behind this, but in my case there’s zero doubt that coconut oil has provided vastly superior results to using honey by itself.

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Hi Roger,

Thanks for the kind words.
Sorry about throwing you off of your original approach (with the coconut oil).
Sometimes ignorance is bliss. :slight_smile:

Will make sure to update the post and add details about your experience.
If you have the spare time, consider joining the community. You seem to have been using this treatment for a substantial amount and likely have valuable insights on regarding it.

All the best and thanks again.

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Dear
one thing is not clear to me. do I need to use honey water every day in 4 weeks duration?

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In the study the procedure was performed every other day for 4 weeks. After the 4 weeks they also performed once weekly applications for 6 months.
If your doing the 3 hours treatments, it becomes fairly difficult to sustain this.

All the best.

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Hey Michael,
I want to try this after I finish my sea salt on my face and I have a question, should I apply the raw honey by its self without the other oils? And also what do you mean by 9 parts of honey?
Thanks for your time :slight_smile:

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Hi Connor,

For me the raw honey worked best on it’s own. Oil seemed to cause irritation to return quicker. Others report it worked well with coconut oil as a follow up.

90% honey with 10% water. The water makes the honey easier to apply and it seems to activate some sort the beneficial properties as well.

Let me know how it goes.

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Hey Michael,
I’m unsure what to do on the days in between you apply the raw honey? The facial wash what is that?
Thanks Connor

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Hi Connor,
When I was doing the honey treatment, I would basically either not do anything or simply use a bit of honey as a face wash (seems to work rather well actually).

Hope that helps. Any changes on the SD?
Also just an update. I’ve fully stopped washing my face (except water) and have been using a custom lotion (natural and edible).
Hoping to have some samples ready for the community soon.

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hey there,
thank you for your skindrone site. love the name!
did you try the honey also in combi with the cethapil samples? cleanser and moisturiszer?
I tried honey for 7 months with great success before.
what happened: no signs of sd no redness no flaking.
but when I did wash with dove white soap bar I could see sometimes dead skin. 10 min afterwards it was not visable anymore. but left skin damage after some time.
do I decided to quit.

Instead of white soap bar I see that head & shoulders works also with honey.
Now I look for a great moisturizer…
Now it comes.: when each product single lifts sebderm how come that those products used together don’t lifs sebderm or can make it worse in just seconds or minutes…
that’s why I don’t believe the yeast thing is just a factor and not the main issue.

Its like the cement of the skin just dissolves when u hit the skin with a wrong chemistry (products order)